Day Two Cloud 096: Public Cloud Isn’t Wrong. You Are.

Today’s Day Two Cloud is a wide-ranging discussion about the value of public cloud, a response to the growing backlash toward public cloud, and techniques to better meld automation into application and infrastructure delivery. Given cloud costs and complexity, would we be better off returning to on-prem? Guest Chris Wahl is here to say no. He argues for cloud and automation by using them like they were meant to, rather than trying to map old processes and architectures onto the new. We also explore the notion of pipelines for automation application and infrastructure delivery to take full advantage of public cloud services, and why applying cloud principles to on-prem applications yields diminishing returns. Chris Wahl is Senior Principal at Slalom. You may have also heard Chris in his role as co-host of the Datanauts podcast. Datanauts has been retired, but you can hear every episode here. We discuss: * Cloud backlash * How to think about automation * The persistence of legacy applications * Automation pipelines and tooling * Repositories and version control * Viewing cloud as a way to make apps more profitable rather than cheaper to operate * More Sponsor: CBT Nuggets CBT Nuggets is IT training for IT professionals and anyone looking to build IT skills. If you want to make fully operational your networking, security, cloud, automation, or DevOps battle station visit cbtnuggets.com/cloud. Show Links: @ChrisWahl – Chris Wahl on Twitter Chris Wahl on LinkedIn Wahl Network – Chris’s blog Chris Wahl on YouTube Transcript: [00:00:01.110] – Ethan [AD]Sponsor CBT Nuggets, is IT training for IT professionals and anyone looking to build IT skills, if you want to make fully operational your networking cloud security automation or DevOps Battle Station, visit CBT nuggets, dotcom cloud. That’s CBT nuggets dotcom slash cloud.[/AD] [00:00:25.490] – Ethan Welcome to Day Two Cloud Show, we are bringing back a friend of the packet pusher’s podcast network, Chris Wahl. If you listen to the Datanauts show, of course, Chris and I hosted that show together for, oh, three years or so. [00:00:38.600] And put a lot of great episodes about oh, automation and cloud and storage and security and lots and lots and lots of topics that we covered. And Chris comes back today as a consultant, which is what he’s doing these days. Living in a very cloudy world. Chris is all about modern application delivery. And we go, Ned, man, it’s like my brain has got to get rewired to think like Chris thinks these days about how to deliver an application, there is so much going on that me coming from that legacy background are struggling to overcome. I don’t know how you felt about it. [00:01:15.160] – Ned I still feel the struggle. I also came from a traditional infrastructure background. I still think about racking servers and cabling stuff up and installing an operating system. And like this is so far removed from that. You have to just pull yourself completely out of that mindset and put yourself in the new mindset where it’s all about the API and the pipeline. And that is the focus of our conversation. [00:01:35.810] – Ethan